# Start sketch with hidden window
**URL:** https://discourse.processing.org/t/start-sketch-with-hidden-window/1263
**Category:** Coding Questions
**Created:** [June 25, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/start-sketch-with-hidden-window/1263 "2018-06-25T23:38:36Z")
**Posts on this page:** 6
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### Author:  [@cuI6QV0SphbBeN9E](https://discourse.processing.org/u/cuI6QV0SphbBeN9E)
#### Post date: [June 25, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/start-sketch-with-hidden-window/1263/1 "2018-06-25T23:38:36Z")
```auto
void setup() {
surface.setVisible(false);
}
```
If we run the above code, the window itself gets hidden but with a sudden flicker — we can see it get created and then hidden. **Is it possible to start with a truly hidden window (no flicker) and show it later on?**
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### Author:  [@TfGuy44](https://discourse.processing.org/u/TfGuy44)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/start-sketch-with-hidden-window/1263/2 "2018-06-26T02:33:29Z")
Things you could try:
Set the window position to something off the screen as determined by screen Width and screenHeight.
Do the above, but in settings().
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### Author:  [@KAZ](https://discourse.processing.org/u/KAZ)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2018, 3:03am UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/start-sketch-with-hidden-window/1263/3 "2018-06-26T03:03:55Z")
Hope this would help…
```auto
void setup() {
surface.setLocation(-200,-200);
surface.setVisible(false);
}
```
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### Author:  [@KAZ](https://discourse.processing.org/u/KAZ)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/start-sketch-with-hidden-window/1263/4 "2018-06-26T03:13:53Z")
Gobbledygook:
```auto
float i=0;
void setup() {
surface.setLocation(-200,-200);
}
void draw(){
surface.setLocation((int)(i=(i+0.1)%450),(int)(i=(i+0.2)%450));
}
```
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### Author:  [@cuI6QV0SphbBeN9E](https://discourse.processing.org/u/cuI6QV0SphbBeN9E)
#### Post date: [June 27, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/start-sketch-with-hidden-window/1263/5 "2018-06-27T23:42:41Z")
None of the above methods work. At least not on macOS. I had already tried it.
The window does indeed appear relocated, but never beyond a certain point. It’s never created completely outside the visible bounds of the screen.
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### Author:  [@KAZ](https://discourse.processing.org/u/KAZ)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/start-sketch-with-hidden-window/1263/6 "2018-06-28T02:52:24Z")
Well It worked for me in Windows, I don’t have a Mac, Sorry!