# Big Sur and new Macs

**URL:** <https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374>\
**Category:** Processing\
**Created:** [November 12, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374 "2020-11-12T17:08:44Z")\
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**Author:** ![mgg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/discourse.processing.org/mgg/32/4285_2.png) [@mgg](https://discourse.processing.org/u/mgg)\
**Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374/1 "2020-11-12T17:08:44Z")

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Hi all,

Wondering if anyone willing to share initial experiences with Processing on the new Mac hardware and “Big Sur” OS11 (OSX 11? OSXI?) … For context, we have a number of semi-permanent and permanent installations that use Mac minis and run Processing/Java full-out, thousands of threads, 24/7 type things, and sometimes require external hardware like sound cards etc. Wondering what kind of change we should be prepared for if we start using the new silicon and operating system. Catalina had a few things re: security, and access to peripherals, but we managed.

Anybody taken the plunge yet? (I know the hardware is only out today, but dev previews have been around for a bit)

Thanks,

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**Author:** ![jepricer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@jepricer](https://discourse.processing.org/u/jepricer)\
**Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374/2 "2020-11-17T17:12:32Z")

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I get a blank screen when run. Creating a movie gives the proper tiff files, just cannot see from the screen what you are getting.

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**Author:** ![monkstone](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/discourse.processing.org/monkstone/32/64_2.png) [@monkstone](https://discourse.processing.org/u/monkstone)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 7:47am UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374/3 "2020-11-18T07:47:04Z")

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Currently it seems Azul “Zulu” builds might be the way to go on jdk front, but you are likely to be missing OpenGL support and a lot of other hardware related stuff see link to @headius tweet (aka Charles Nutter chief JRuby developer):-  
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> It is worth  
> pointing out that the sources for the Azul "Zulu"  
> builds of OpenJDK are largely the same as other organizations'  
> builds of OpenJDK, so I would expect those JDKs to work just as well  
> when they are available and supported! [https://t.co/Oa7FVEd16d](https://t.co/Oa7FVEd16d)
> 
> —  
> Charles Nutter (@headius) [November  
> 16, 2020](https://twitter.com/headius/status/1328465048495276033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

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See Also [JEP 391: macOS/AArch64 Port](http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/391), support will likely only be available for jdk11+ so you are looking at processing-4, so 1st step would be to try out the beta version…  
There will be major if not crippling issues with using [rosetta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)#Rosetta_2) software.

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**Author:** ![jepricer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@jepricer](https://discourse.processing.org/u/jepricer)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374/4 "2020-11-18T18:20:49Z")

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That worked. The screen is visible with Processing 4 alpha.

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**Author:** ![nosarious](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/discourse.processing.org/nosarious/32/1113_2.png) [@nosarious](https://discourse.processing.org/u/nosarious)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374/5 "2020-11-22T17:42:01Z")

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A blank screen while using processing on Big Sur happens on older machines as well, not just M1. For myself it affected P3D programs.

A user on the Github site has indicated that including frameRate will let the screen display normally. I have tested this with several P3D examples myself.

> <https://github.com/processing/processing/issues/6121>
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> Problem
> Since the update to Big Sur, processing's P3D and P2D renders do not appear to be working. When running a P3D...

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**Author:** ![jepricer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@jepricer](https://discourse.processing.org/u/jepricer)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374/6 "2020-11-25T12:40:03Z")

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thanks for the followup

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**Author:** ![Epimetheusitx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a587f6/32.png) [@Epimetheusitx](https://discourse.processing.org/u/Epimetheusitx)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374/7 "2021-02-16T15:41:53Z")

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Including frameRate(30); it works, thank you .

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**Author:** ![RetProf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc29f/32.png) [@RetProf](https://discourse.processing.org/u/RetProf)\
**Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:54pm UTC](https://discourse.processing.org/t/big-sur-and-new-macs/25374/8 "2021-02-16T17:54:46Z")

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I experienced this issue a few weeks ago but did not see this thread at that time. I too found that a sketch with a P3D renderer, that failed without the frameRate(30) command included, executed correctly in the IDE when frameRate was added, but when exported, it failed. Have you tried to export and execute the sketch you indicated had “worked”?